G - OK, and how many
children did you have?
D - Two.
G - Two.
D - Something I don't, because of what's happening these days, is frightening, in a sense of giving names, and address and so on, because i'm very scared, because you don't know, you know, there's so much killing, there's so much different things, and you wonder what on earth is going on. And they put kind of scary, because i'm more worried, not for myself because, thank god, i've lived, and I hope to god we'll prolong my life a bit longer but i've got children and to me, even though they're in their 40s they are still my babies.
G - They're still your babies of course! Well we're not asking for names or anything, we don't want you to give any information..because this is for a history project, this isn't for anything else. But, so, where were you born?
D - In Jamaica.
G - And you said now you live in Peckham?
D - Yes.
G - And when were your children born?
D - '68 and '76.
G - OK, right, and what was your situation when you first claimed family allowance, were you married, single?
D - I was single, yeah, and at the time, but I was doing agency work, but I paid my stamp. You know you could buy your stamp, at that time, have it in a book and send it up, you know? So, you know, because with agency you can do it and you don't pay anything and so on but I paid mine. Because I wanted a good pension, you know, something to look after my children and so on, you understand, so it was important to me, to buy my stamp, and to send them off, you know so they could put them in for me.
G - So you worked for an agency, was that like a temping agency?
D - Yes, yes, yes ,yes.
G - And what kind of work was it you were doing?
D - Nursing.
G - Nursing, yeah. And so you were doing that whilst also bringing up children, on your own?
D - Yeah, I was trained, in 19...I started in, I think in '60, I started training. Or, '61, round around that time. Because when I came here I didn't have the full qualification because I left school very early, so you need to have, you know the school qualification to go and do SRN: Registered Trained Nurse, so what I do I did enrolled nurse first, and then from there I went and did SRN, you know, once I get through the enroll nurse and I went and did SRN, and then I went and did midwifery training.
G - Oh midwifery, yeah. OK.
D - And so on. And then after I finished that, then I, because I didn't train in London, I trained out of London, and I came back down London, and start doing agency until I find I was expecting a baby, then, you understand, you know, that's how it goes.
G - Ok, and how important was family allowance to you, when you were bringing up..?
D - It was you know, because at the time I was on my own, you know and I didn't have any, I worked until about two weeks before I had my baby. You know. It was hard going, but I had to and didn't want to go and sit down, just sit down in the room on my own, I only had a room then. You know, waiting, you know, so I worked, and then, had my baby, yeah.
G - And, how did you spend the money? Did you keep it for a particular need, or?
D - What I get, from the agency?
G - No, no family allowance.
D - Oh allowance, the first one, all they gave me was about £7 I think..
G - Back then, I think you didn't get it for the first you only got it for the second one..
D - That's right, so all I was getting to live on was £7 a week, you know. It wasn't much at all, you understand. The baby father, you know, he used to pay like, the rent for the room, you know, I can't remember exactly what did happen, but that's all I remember living on.
G - Yeah, £7 a week. And, what kind of things did you spend it on?
D - Food. You know, food. I remember like clothes and so on, it's my relatives who helped me, because you know when you're doing nursing training, you're out living, and they feed you and so on, and all we used to get from them then was £8 a month, and before the month finished, that was finished, because travelling to visit my relatives and so on, you know, it was very hard, you know it was really good having relatives, you know, because when I go and see them they give me food, take back, and we share amongst each other and so on.
G - It's a support network.
D - Yeah it was you know. Yeah and you may go home tomorrow and you bring back food, and you know, we have a group of us we get in one room and we'll sit and we'll share and so on. That's all I used to get £7, as far as I can know it was £7 a week, you know.
G - What do you think you would have done if you hadn't had the money?
D - I don't know. I would have to live with my relatives, let my relatives support me, or maybe give them the baby to look after, and so on, you know, but they helped me. Although I was ashamed having a baby without married, at that time, you know. Very ashame I didn't want relatives to know, so it was long after when we decide to get married and I told them I'm married and I had a baby, you understand, it was a shame, very shame.
G - It was different then.
D - Different then, you know. You know I felt I let down the family, and so on, you know, it was hard going.
G - What memories do you have of collecting family allowance.
D - I think they interview and they interview you and so on, it's like you're begging.
G - Really?
D - Yeah, that's how I felt really, you know? I felt you know I wish I didn't have to, you know.
G - But every woman got it? Every woman with a child, could get it.
D - Oh the family allowance?
G - Yeah family allowance.
D - Yeah, yeah, but remember though I didn't get it with the first one.
G - Not with the first.
D - It's the second one, and when I got that, now, it's funny, I save it for my children.
G - Ah.
D - I open accounts for them, you understand, I use a bit of it, but er, it's theres. It wasn't for me, it was for them, I make sure, and when my son was getting a house, I was able to give him bit towards a house. Mmm. I'm that type, it's theirs. You know, that's why now I'll fight for everything i'm supposed to get, because at that time, they robbed me quite a bit, because I used to do permanent nights so I could keep my children in the day, it was hard going, and when I came off night duty and they put me in day, they should have protected my pay, as for night duty, until, for about 6 months or so, but they didn't so they start paying me the daytime pay from day one. So..
G - Was this on the NHS?
D - Yes, so, you know, that was, you know, but, when you kept things, you know..you know what they're doing. You pretend you don't know what they're doing, because you know you just..
G - You don't want to lose your job, or..
D - Exactly. G - Mmm.
D - You understand, so, you didn't say anything, but I know I should have been protected.
G - Yeah..you should have said something.
D - Yes, one thing like that. I said really, if I should go after them now, I could claim a hell of a lot from them because they didn't protect my money at that time, and it was begging and begging them for it, for something that should have been done you understand, but there was between, as you know there's prejudice everywhere, and it doesn't matter, even with us, where, it's us against you, vice versa.
G - Yeah there's still racism around. I know yeah.
D - It's just part of life, we're all human.
G - Exactly we're all human but there's no, nothing that can justify racism or prejudice, I don't think.
D - No no no, it's hard going. It was hard going, you know when you come and you're looking for a room to rent and you look and there's written on the thing, 'no dogs, no blacks, no irish', and you thought, you know..
G - God, that's so bad.
D - It's terrible.
G - Yeah, that makes me so sad.
D - You know, if you cut me, we are the same blood. If you cut you, we're the same blood. It's just a skin colour, you understand. And that was hard enough to cope with, you understand, and it hasn't [inaudible]. I don't know if you saw programmes on television about how black nurses was treated, every bit of it is true.
G - Mm I did watch that programme.
D - Yes, you know 'don't touch me nigger!', 'don't touch me, don't come near me', you know? All I want to do from day one is caring. Caring.
G - Ach, we need more people like that, you know?
D - Exactly, from day one, that's all I want to do, is to look after people, and this year I said to Lisa, 'don't give up' you always carry on.
G - Yes, yeah caring for one another. So when did you work until, doing nursing?
D - Err, I retired health ground, because I had quite a lot, history, you know, different problems, a lot, you know like an embolism and all of that, you know, so I really tired early, health ground you understand.
G - Yeah, so Eleanor Rathbone she was adamant that the mother was paid to the mother and not to the father. What did you think about that?
D - Some times, it depends on the people, the husband and the, because some husband, well, you know like me, as I told you, part of it go for the children, it's their money, you understand, and although it's being paid for me, but some of the other one if you give it to them, they probably just keep it for themselves, the wife don't get anything, and the children don't get anything, and the wife still have to, you understand, so it's very hard to say who to pay it to.
G - Yeah, but Eleanor Rathbone said it should be paid to mothers.
D - Yes, but you find that in the long run, mothers are more, we are the one who bring that baby out, maybe two that make the baby, but we are the one that bear the pain, and bring them out, and make sure, it's very rare that you find a mother that don't love their child, and sometime you have to, you know, when you find somebody like that you have to find out what went wrong, in their life. You know, what went wrong in the family life, why they come out and that child was not loved, or to see a man beat up your child and do nothing about it, there's no way I could sit around and watch that, you understand? So I can't personally say it should be to the woman, because there are a few women that are really bad, but if you have to go on a majority, I would say the women.
G - OK, and do you, before this project, had you heard about Eleanor Rathbone?
D - Yes, I think I had seen something on the television about her. I don't get to follow programmes much now, you see, because i'm being kept occupied all the time. But sometimes, I'm watching little bits, maybe a bit of news, you know, that come over and say, but I have to run out, so I don't know a great deal about her. But one of them gave me a leaflet last week about her, about who she was, and what she'd been fighting.
G - Ah yes, great, so she was like, because women contribute to the economy by bringing up the citizens, their work should be paid, so that's why she campaigned for family allowance. Do you think that the caring work of mothers receives the social recognition, economic recognition that it deserves?
D - No. I really think mothers should be paid more, to look after. Because it's a full time job. Full time job. Children, you know, they're very energetic, you know, they, as a caring person, you have to have eyes behind your back, for a child you understand, and especially if you're working as well, on top of it, because I wouldn't give my children out to people because of what i've seen happen to my nephew, being in care, my sister used to give my nephew out to a lady to look after, you know, and she'll take them into our front room which is nice and beautiful, but one day I just unexpected went there and pick him up before my sister, to give my sister a surprise, and I was shocked, at the situation, he was in his pushchair, the way she took him in, all you could see is soaking wet and he was in a tiny room, not any bigger than this, with the grandmother, who was you know, coughing an coughing, I remember at that time we didn't have central heating and the heater is there you know, and my poor nephew is there, and I thought there is no way, if I have children, I will do that, so usually, I do part time, and you know, in the day when they are at school I sleep downstairs in the settee, and have a clock set, drop them off in the morning, pick them up in the afternoon, anything lik that.
G - Yeah, work around them.
D - Work around them, you understand. So it was, two jobs I was doing, but, my was more at ease, you know to know that...
G - Where they were and how they were being cared for.
D - Exactly. And at that time, it's not like now, where the roads are filled with cars and so on, the road I lives, they used to be so many children, they used to play out in front of there, but I'm at the window every five minutes, you know, 'you all right!' and make sure they just right there playing. You still don't know what could go on, because years ago, although there was all these people who would interfere with children, i don't know, I could just look and say, 'uh uh, don't go near that man', you understand? So you're always on the lookout, just protecting your children.
G - Yeah, so is there anything else you'd like to say about family allowance, or anything?
D - No, as I said, the mothers should be paid more, because it's a full time job, and if they're working as well it's two jobs that they're doing, you understand?
G - Yeah, exactly, I do.
D - And I really think people should go out that they get more. But there again, some young people these days abuse the system, they think that's one way of just sitting down and just do nothing, have some babies and so on. Because they don't have to go out, so it was nice that the government start drawing up things of how long they can stay home, and so, on. Because there are some that abuse the system, and this, you know. I don't know. This is how I feel about it. All I really think they should be paid more. And grandmothers.
[interruption by one of the members of staff at the centre]
D - I think like grandmothers, and so on, that help out, should be paid something.
G - All caring work should be paid!
D - Should be paid! It's not their job, they bring me up, and bring me up! And mothers should be paid because they are doing two jobs. And men should help bit more. Need to, because they think it's the mothers 'its your job' kind of thing, like that. But how are you going to get around to do that. Some of them thats the way they were brought up, mothers, I tell my son, you've got to help, you know? You don't sit down and expect your wife or your girlfriend to do all the housework and so on, you've got to help and take part, you understand.
G - Do you think he listens?
D - Mmm I hope they do! I don't believe, you know, you sit down and i'm doing all the donkey work.
G - No! It should be a partnership.
D - It should be a partnership when you're married and all. It should be a partnership.
G - Well thank you so much Daphne, that was really really wonderful. Would you mind me taking a photo?
D - Not for the paper!
G - No it's not for the paper.
D - As long as it don't.
G - I promise you, it wont be in the paper. But if you...all it would be used for is in an exhibition, but if you don't want that then..
D - Probably leave it at the moment. I don't mind it. But if you want to take it, take it. It's just a bit worrying.
G - I don't want to worry you at all, it's not, it's just if you don't mind.
D - It's just that the times now, it's very worrying. What's that MP, that was murdered, with two children, and that, you know?
G - Jo Cox...
D - You know and thing like that, but I thought maybe she was just a person who talk out what she believe in, and I don't know.
G - We're living in a very strange time..
D - We're living in a strange time, it's worrying. So I am a bit cautious about that.
G - Absolutely, well you've got all this information from us, and you can always give us a call the number is, if you have any questions or concerns about anything, that you have to do with the project, then get in touch with us. You don't have to give us your address if you don't want to, I can always send it back here, this just tells us that you did agree to take part in the recording, and you don't mind having your interview and your name, age and photo, but if you don't want a photo or you don't want your name in it either then that's fine as well. It will be used in a report, in a film, an exhibition, it will be available online and it'll be used for research and education and lectures. So i'm just going to write your name here.....
D - Two.
G - Two.
D - Something I don't, because of what's happening these days, is frightening, in a sense of giving names, and address and so on, because i'm very scared, because you don't know, you know, there's so much killing, there's so much different things, and you wonder what on earth is going on. And they put kind of scary, because i'm more worried, not for myself because, thank god, i've lived, and I hope to god we'll prolong my life a bit longer but i've got children and to me, even though they're in their 40s they are still my babies.
G - They're still your babies of course! Well we're not asking for names or anything, we don't want you to give any information..because this is for a history project, this isn't for anything else. But, so, where were you born?
D - In Jamaica.
G - And you said now you live in Peckham?
D - Yes.
G - And when were your children born?
D - '68 and '76.
G - OK, right, and what was your situation when you first claimed family allowance, were you married, single?
D - I was single, yeah, and at the time, but I was doing agency work, but I paid my stamp. You know you could buy your stamp, at that time, have it in a book and send it up, you know? So, you know, because with agency you can do it and you don't pay anything and so on but I paid mine. Because I wanted a good pension, you know, something to look after my children and so on, you understand, so it was important to me, to buy my stamp, and to send them off, you know so they could put them in for me.
G - So you worked for an agency, was that like a temping agency?
D - Yes, yes, yes ,yes.
G - And what kind of work was it you were doing?
D - Nursing.
G - Nursing, yeah. And so you were doing that whilst also bringing up children, on your own?
D - Yeah, I was trained, in 19...I started in, I think in '60, I started training. Or, '61, round around that time. Because when I came here I didn't have the full qualification because I left school very early, so you need to have, you know the school qualification to go and do SRN: Registered Trained Nurse, so what I do I did enrolled nurse first, and then from there I went and did SRN, you know, once I get through the enroll nurse and I went and did SRN, and then I went and did midwifery training.
G - Oh midwifery, yeah. OK.
D - And so on. And then after I finished that, then I, because I didn't train in London, I trained out of London, and I came back down London, and start doing agency until I find I was expecting a baby, then, you understand, you know, that's how it goes.
G - Ok, and how important was family allowance to you, when you were bringing up..?
D - It was you know, because at the time I was on my own, you know and I didn't have any, I worked until about two weeks before I had my baby. You know. It was hard going, but I had to and didn't want to go and sit down, just sit down in the room on my own, I only had a room then. You know, waiting, you know, so I worked, and then, had my baby, yeah.
G - And, how did you spend the money? Did you keep it for a particular need, or?
D - What I get, from the agency?
G - No, no family allowance.
D - Oh allowance, the first one, all they gave me was about £7 I think..
G - Back then, I think you didn't get it for the first you only got it for the second one..
D - That's right, so all I was getting to live on was £7 a week, you know. It wasn't much at all, you understand. The baby father, you know, he used to pay like, the rent for the room, you know, I can't remember exactly what did happen, but that's all I remember living on.
G - Yeah, £7 a week. And, what kind of things did you spend it on?
D - Food. You know, food. I remember like clothes and so on, it's my relatives who helped me, because you know when you're doing nursing training, you're out living, and they feed you and so on, and all we used to get from them then was £8 a month, and before the month finished, that was finished, because travelling to visit my relatives and so on, you know, it was very hard, you know it was really good having relatives, you know, because when I go and see them they give me food, take back, and we share amongst each other and so on.
G - It's a support network.
D - Yeah it was you know. Yeah and you may go home tomorrow and you bring back food, and you know, we have a group of us we get in one room and we'll sit and we'll share and so on. That's all I used to get £7, as far as I can know it was £7 a week, you know.
G - What do you think you would have done if you hadn't had the money?
D - I don't know. I would have to live with my relatives, let my relatives support me, or maybe give them the baby to look after, and so on, you know, but they helped me. Although I was ashamed having a baby without married, at that time, you know. Very ashame I didn't want relatives to know, so it was long after when we decide to get married and I told them I'm married and I had a baby, you understand, it was a shame, very shame.
G - It was different then.
D - Different then, you know. You know I felt I let down the family, and so on, you know, it was hard going.
G - What memories do you have of collecting family allowance.
D - I think they interview and they interview you and so on, it's like you're begging.
G - Really?
D - Yeah, that's how I felt really, you know? I felt you know I wish I didn't have to, you know.
G - But every woman got it? Every woman with a child, could get it.
D - Oh the family allowance?
G - Yeah family allowance.
D - Yeah, yeah, but remember though I didn't get it with the first one.
G - Not with the first.
D - It's the second one, and when I got that, now, it's funny, I save it for my children.
G - Ah.
D - I open accounts for them, you understand, I use a bit of it, but er, it's theres. It wasn't for me, it was for them, I make sure, and when my son was getting a house, I was able to give him bit towards a house. Mmm. I'm that type, it's theirs. You know, that's why now I'll fight for everything i'm supposed to get, because at that time, they robbed me quite a bit, because I used to do permanent nights so I could keep my children in the day, it was hard going, and when I came off night duty and they put me in day, they should have protected my pay, as for night duty, until, for about 6 months or so, but they didn't so they start paying me the daytime pay from day one. So..
G - Was this on the NHS?
D - Yes, so, you know, that was, you know, but, when you kept things, you know..you know what they're doing. You pretend you don't know what they're doing, because you know you just..
G - You don't want to lose your job, or..
D - Exactly. G - Mmm.
D - You understand, so, you didn't say anything, but I know I should have been protected.
G - Yeah..you should have said something.
D - Yes, one thing like that. I said really, if I should go after them now, I could claim a hell of a lot from them because they didn't protect my money at that time, and it was begging and begging them for it, for something that should have been done you understand, but there was between, as you know there's prejudice everywhere, and it doesn't matter, even with us, where, it's us against you, vice versa.
G - Yeah there's still racism around. I know yeah.
D - It's just part of life, we're all human.
G - Exactly we're all human but there's no, nothing that can justify racism or prejudice, I don't think.
D - No no no, it's hard going. It was hard going, you know when you come and you're looking for a room to rent and you look and there's written on the thing, 'no dogs, no blacks, no irish', and you thought, you know..
G - God, that's so bad.
D - It's terrible.
G - Yeah, that makes me so sad.
D - You know, if you cut me, we are the same blood. If you cut you, we're the same blood. It's just a skin colour, you understand. And that was hard enough to cope with, you understand, and it hasn't [inaudible]. I don't know if you saw programmes on television about how black nurses was treated, every bit of it is true.
G - Mm I did watch that programme.
D - Yes, you know 'don't touch me nigger!', 'don't touch me, don't come near me', you know? All I want to do from day one is caring. Caring.
G - Ach, we need more people like that, you know?
D - Exactly, from day one, that's all I want to do, is to look after people, and this year I said to Lisa, 'don't give up' you always carry on.
G - Yes, yeah caring for one another. So when did you work until, doing nursing?
D - Err, I retired health ground, because I had quite a lot, history, you know, different problems, a lot, you know like an embolism and all of that, you know, so I really tired early, health ground you understand.
G - Yeah, so Eleanor Rathbone she was adamant that the mother was paid to the mother and not to the father. What did you think about that?
D - Some times, it depends on the people, the husband and the, because some husband, well, you know like me, as I told you, part of it go for the children, it's their money, you understand, and although it's being paid for me, but some of the other one if you give it to them, they probably just keep it for themselves, the wife don't get anything, and the children don't get anything, and the wife still have to, you understand, so it's very hard to say who to pay it to.
G - Yeah, but Eleanor Rathbone said it should be paid to mothers.
D - Yes, but you find that in the long run, mothers are more, we are the one who bring that baby out, maybe two that make the baby, but we are the one that bear the pain, and bring them out, and make sure, it's very rare that you find a mother that don't love their child, and sometime you have to, you know, when you find somebody like that you have to find out what went wrong, in their life. You know, what went wrong in the family life, why they come out and that child was not loved, or to see a man beat up your child and do nothing about it, there's no way I could sit around and watch that, you understand? So I can't personally say it should be to the woman, because there are a few women that are really bad, but if you have to go on a majority, I would say the women.
G - OK, and do you, before this project, had you heard about Eleanor Rathbone?
D - Yes, I think I had seen something on the television about her. I don't get to follow programmes much now, you see, because i'm being kept occupied all the time. But sometimes, I'm watching little bits, maybe a bit of news, you know, that come over and say, but I have to run out, so I don't know a great deal about her. But one of them gave me a leaflet last week about her, about who she was, and what she'd been fighting.
G - Ah yes, great, so she was like, because women contribute to the economy by bringing up the citizens, their work should be paid, so that's why she campaigned for family allowance. Do you think that the caring work of mothers receives the social recognition, economic recognition that it deserves?
D - No. I really think mothers should be paid more, to look after. Because it's a full time job. Full time job. Children, you know, they're very energetic, you know, they, as a caring person, you have to have eyes behind your back, for a child you understand, and especially if you're working as well, on top of it, because I wouldn't give my children out to people because of what i've seen happen to my nephew, being in care, my sister used to give my nephew out to a lady to look after, you know, and she'll take them into our front room which is nice and beautiful, but one day I just unexpected went there and pick him up before my sister, to give my sister a surprise, and I was shocked, at the situation, he was in his pushchair, the way she took him in, all you could see is soaking wet and he was in a tiny room, not any bigger than this, with the grandmother, who was you know, coughing an coughing, I remember at that time we didn't have central heating and the heater is there you know, and my poor nephew is there, and I thought there is no way, if I have children, I will do that, so usually, I do part time, and you know, in the day when they are at school I sleep downstairs in the settee, and have a clock set, drop them off in the morning, pick them up in the afternoon, anything lik that.
G - Yeah, work around them.
D - Work around them, you understand. So it was, two jobs I was doing, but, my was more at ease, you know to know that...
G - Where they were and how they were being cared for.
D - Exactly. And at that time, it's not like now, where the roads are filled with cars and so on, the road I lives, they used to be so many children, they used to play out in front of there, but I'm at the window every five minutes, you know, 'you all right!' and make sure they just right there playing. You still don't know what could go on, because years ago, although there was all these people who would interfere with children, i don't know, I could just look and say, 'uh uh, don't go near that man', you understand? So you're always on the lookout, just protecting your children.
G - Yeah, so is there anything else you'd like to say about family allowance, or anything?
D - No, as I said, the mothers should be paid more, because it's a full time job, and if they're working as well it's two jobs that they're doing, you understand?
G - Yeah, exactly, I do.
D - And I really think people should go out that they get more. But there again, some young people these days abuse the system, they think that's one way of just sitting down and just do nothing, have some babies and so on. Because they don't have to go out, so it was nice that the government start drawing up things of how long they can stay home, and so, on. Because there are some that abuse the system, and this, you know. I don't know. This is how I feel about it. All I really think they should be paid more. And grandmothers.
[interruption by one of the members of staff at the centre]
D - I think like grandmothers, and so on, that help out, should be paid something.
G - All caring work should be paid!
D - Should be paid! It's not their job, they bring me up, and bring me up! And mothers should be paid because they are doing two jobs. And men should help bit more. Need to, because they think it's the mothers 'its your job' kind of thing, like that. But how are you going to get around to do that. Some of them thats the way they were brought up, mothers, I tell my son, you've got to help, you know? You don't sit down and expect your wife or your girlfriend to do all the housework and so on, you've got to help and take part, you understand.
G - Do you think he listens?
D - Mmm I hope they do! I don't believe, you know, you sit down and i'm doing all the donkey work.
G - No! It should be a partnership.
D - It should be a partnership when you're married and all. It should be a partnership.
G - Well thank you so much Daphne, that was really really wonderful. Would you mind me taking a photo?
D - Not for the paper!
G - No it's not for the paper.
D - As long as it don't.
G - I promise you, it wont be in the paper. But if you...all it would be used for is in an exhibition, but if you don't want that then..
D - Probably leave it at the moment. I don't mind it. But if you want to take it, take it. It's just a bit worrying.
G - I don't want to worry you at all, it's not, it's just if you don't mind.
D - It's just that the times now, it's very worrying. What's that MP, that was murdered, with two children, and that, you know?
G - Jo Cox...
D - You know and thing like that, but I thought maybe she was just a person who talk out what she believe in, and I don't know.
G - We're living in a very strange time..
D - We're living in a strange time, it's worrying. So I am a bit cautious about that.
G - Absolutely, well you've got all this information from us, and you can always give us a call the number is, if you have any questions or concerns about anything, that you have to do with the project, then get in touch with us. You don't have to give us your address if you don't want to, I can always send it back here, this just tells us that you did agree to take part in the recording, and you don't mind having your interview and your name, age and photo, but if you don't want a photo or you don't want your name in it either then that's fine as well. It will be used in a report, in a film, an exhibition, it will be available online and it'll be used for research and education and lectures. So i'm just going to write your name here.....
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